Any small and light phones on the market?

[Clive Page]

Are there any small and light mobile phones available? My wife currently uses a Cubot Pocket which weights 144g and has a small form factor. It has worked fairly well but various defects are gradually becoming evident which make me think she really needs a more reliable one, of a different brand.

I'm surprised that there isn't a market for small light phones - women, especially, want ones that fit in their pockets which tend to be smaller than those in men's clothing, or which in a handbag don't weight a ton and take up all the space. But there seem to very few available under 180g in weight and 6 inches in length which is just a bit too big and heavy. I realise that it's hard to squeeze all the gubbins into a small form-factor, but Cubot seem to have managed it, and you can get much smaller phones but with tiny and almost unusable screens. Though I have a suspicion that these are expressly designed to be smuggled into prisons, which is a rather different market.

One possibility is one of the new-fangled folding phones like the Motorola Razr 40 or 50, but being new they tend to be rather expensive, and I'm also a bit suspicious of how long a folding screen will last in practice. I have seen a few reports of them not lasting all that long. Any suggestions will be gratefully received.

[Tweed]

Post by Clive Page
Are there any small and light mobile phones available? My wife
currently uses a Cubot Pocket which weights 144g and has a small form
factor. It has worked fairly well but various defects are gradually
becoming evident which make me think she really needs a more reliable
one, of a different brand.
I'm surprised that there isn't a market for small light phones - women,
especially, want ones that fit in their pockets which tend to be smaller
than those in men's clothing, or which in a handbag don't weight a ton
and take up all the space. But there seem to very few available under
180g in weight and 6 inches in length which is just a bit too big and
heavy. I realise that it's hard to squeeze all the gubbins into a small
form-factor, but Cubot seem to have managed it, and you can get much
smaller phones but with tiny and almost unusable screens. Though I have
a suspicion that these are expressly designed to be smuggled into
prisons, which is a rather different market.
One possibility is one of the new-fangled folding phones like the
Motorola Razr 40 or 50, but being new they tend to be rather expensive,
and I'm also a bit suspicious of how long a folding screen will last in
practice. I have seen a few reports of them not lasting all that long.
Any suggestions will be gratefully received.

iPhone SE 144g

138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm

[Dave Royal]

Post by Tweed

Post by Clive Page
Are there any small and light mobile phones available? My wife
currently uses a Cubot Pocket which weights 144g and has a small form
factor. It has worked fairly well but various defects are gradually
becoming evident which make me think she really needs a more reliable
one, of a different brand.
I'm surprised that there isn't a market for small light phones - women,
especially, want ones that fit in their pockets which tend to be smaller
than those in men's clothing, or which in a handbag don't weight a ton
and take up all the space. But there seem to very few available under
180g in weight and 6 inches in length which is just a bit too big and
heavy. I realise that it's hard to squeeze all the gubbins into a small
form-factor, but Cubot seem to have managed it, and you can get much
smaller phones but with tiny and almost unusable screens. Though I have
a suspicion that these are expressly designed to be smuggled into
prisons, which is a rather different market.
One possibility is one of the new-fangled folding phones like the
Motorola Razr 40 or 50, but being new they tend to be rather expensive,
and I'm also a bit suspicious of how long a folding screen will last in
practice. I have seen a few reports of them not lasting all that long.
Any suggestions will be gratefully received.

iPhone SE 144g
138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm

Yes, I will eventually replace my iPhone 8 with an SE - same size.
For me all reasonable Android phones are too big.


My old iPhone 5s is still good as a phone, is even smaller (124 x
59 x 8 mm, 112g) and still good for some apps (eg andOTP). But
out of support (iOS 22.5.7) so won't run many apps: iOS 15 is a
common minimum requirement.

[Dave Royal]

Post by Dave Royal

Post by Tweed

Post by Clive Page
Are there any small and light mobile phones available? My wife
currently uses a Cubot Pocket which weights 144g and has a small form
factor. It has worked fairly well but various defects are gradually
becoming evident which make me think she really needs a more reliable
one, of a different brand.
I'm surprised that there isn't a market for small light phones - women,
especially, want ones that fit in their pockets which tend to be smaller
than those in men's clothing, or which in a handbag don't weight a ton
and take up all the space. But there seem to very few available under
180g in weight and 6 inches in length which is just a bit too big and
heavy. I realise that it's hard to squeeze all the gubbins into a small
form-factor, but Cubot seem to have managed it, and you can get much
smaller phones but with tiny and almost unusable screens. Though I have
a suspicion that these are expressly designed to be smuggled into
prisons, which is a rather different market.
One possibility is one of the new-fangled folding phones like the
Motorola Razr 40 or 50, but being new they tend to be rather expensive,
and I'm also a bit suspicious of how long a folding screen will last in
practice. I have seen a few reports of them not lasting all that long.
Any suggestions will be gratefully received.

iPhone SE 144g
138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm

Yes, I will eventually replace my iPhone 8 with an SE - same size.
For me all reasonable Android phones are too big.
My old iPhone 5s is still good as a phone, is even smaller (124 x
59 x 8 mm, 112g) and still good for some apps (eg andOTP). But
out of support (iOS 22.5.7) so won't run many apps: iOS 15 is a
common minimum requirement.

iOS 12.5.7 - obviously.

[Andy Burns]

Post by Dave Royal
I will eventually replace my iPhone 8 with an SE - same size.
For me all reasonable Android phones are too big.

Having started with 3.7", I agree they have inexorably got bigger, I
have large hands and the past few phones have been "too big" as far as
I'm concerned.

To the manufacturers newer=bigger=better=shinier, by not offering much
that is smaller, the manufacturers have fooled themselves into assuming
that because newer/better/shinier sells, the people want bigger.

[Theo]

Post by Andy Burns

Post by Dave Royal
I will eventually replace my iPhone 8 with an SE - same size.
For me all reasonable Android phones are too big.

Having started with 3.7", I agree they have inexorably got bigger, I
have large hands and the past few phones have been "too big" as far as
I'm concerned.
To the manufacturers newer=bigger=better=shinier, by not offering much
that is smaller, the manufacturers have fooled themselves into assuming
that because newer/better/shinier sells, the people want bigger.

The bigger phones do sell better than small phones - it's why the iPhone
Mini line died out, because people just didn't buy them.

(although watch out that everyone describes phone by display size, which has
got larger in the same physical package as bezels have shrunk. eg:

iPhone 6 Plus:
Dimensions: 158.1 x 77.8 x 7.1 mm (6.22 x 3.06 x 0.28 in)
Display: 5.5"

iPhone 16 Plus:
Dimensions: 160.9 x 77.8 x 7.8 mm (6.33 x 3.06 x 0.31 in)
Display: 6.5"

so that's a whole inch 'extra free' while keeping almost the same chassis
size)


I think it's to do with the shift from using a phone as a phone - smaller is
better - to using it for video and images, where bigger is better.

ISTM the 'flip' folding phones are probably the best route here - small
package but a bigger screen for when you need it.

Theo

[Chris]

Post by Theo

Post by Andy Burns

Post by Dave Royal
I will eventually replace my iPhone 8 with an SE - same size.
For me all reasonable Android phones are too big.

Having started with 3.7", I agree they have inexorably got bigger, I
have large hands and the past few phones have been "too big" as far as
I'm concerned.
To the manufacturers newer=bigger=better=shinier, by not offering much
that is smaller, the manufacturers have fooled themselves into assuming
that because newer/better/shinier sells, the people want bigger.

The bigger phones do sell better than small phones - it's why the iPhone
Mini line died out, because people just didn't buy them.

Battery life is also worse with a smaller phone. My feeling is that that is
the bigger issue.

[Andy Burns]

Post by Chris
Battery life is also worse with a smaller phone. My feeling is that that is
the bigger issue.

It's not as though phones were *unpopular* when they were candy-bar
sized ... I see thin batteries in the same way as foldable displays ...
both likely to make a phone more fragile.

[Chris]

Post by Andy Burns

Post by Chris
Battery life is also worse with a smaller phone. My feeling is that that is
the bigger issue.

It's not as though phones were *unpopular* when they were candy-bar
sized ...

Maybe not, but the draw on battery power keeps increasing. A modern day
battery would last weeks on an old phone.

Post by Andy Burns
I see thin batteries in the same way as foldable displays ...
both likely to make a phone more fragile.

[Dave Royal]

Post by Theo

Post by Andy Burns

Post by Dave Royal
I will eventually replace my iPhone 8 with an SE - same size.
For me all reasonable Android phones are too big.

Having started with 3.7", I agree they have inexorably got bigger, I
have large hands and the past few phones have been "too big" as far as
I'm concerned.
To the manufacturers newer=bigger=better=shinier, by not offering much
that is smaller, the manufacturers have fooled themselves into assuming
that because newer/better/shinier sells, the people want bigger.

The bigger phones do sell better than small phones - it's why the iPhone
Mini line died out, because people just didn't buy them.
(although watch out that everyone describes phone by display size, which has
Dimensions: 158.1 x 77.8 x 7.1 mm (6.22 x 3.06 x 0.28 in)
Display: 5.5"
Dimensions: 160.9 x 77.8 x 7.8 mm (6.33 x 3.06 x 0.31 in)
Display: 6.5"
so that's a whole inch 'extra free' while keeping almost the same chassis
size)
I think it's to do with the shift from using a phone as a phone - smaller is
better - to using it for video and images, where bigger is better.
ISTM the 'flip' folding phones are probably the best route here - small
package but a bigger screen for when you need it.
Theo

The Sony Xperia phones are tall and narrow. For example the Xperia
5 is 154x68x8 - the same width as an iPhone SE 3 but longer.
Slightly more pocketable, but expensive IMO. I don't know how
long Sony supports them for.

There were Xperia mini's a while back, but no longer.

[Chris in Makati]

On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 12:10:36 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Clive Page
Are there any small and light mobile phones available? My wife
currently uses a Cubot Pocket which weights 144g and has a small form
factor. It has worked fairly well but various defects are gradually
becoming evident which make me think she really needs a more reliable
one, of a different brand.
I'm surprised that there isn't a market for small light phones - women,
especially, want ones that fit in their pockets which tend to be smaller
than those in men's clothing, or which in a handbag don't weight a ton
and take up all the space. But there seem to very few available under
180g in weight and 6 inches in length which is just a bit too big and
heavy. I realise that it's hard to squeeze all the gubbins into a small
form-factor, but Cubot seem to have managed it, and you can get much
smaller phones but with tiny and almost unusable screens. Though I have
a suspicion that these are expressly designed to be smuggled into
prisons, which is a rather different market.
One possibility is one of the new-fangled folding phones like the
Motorola Razr 40 or 50, but being new they tend to be rather expensive,
and I'm also a bit suspicious of how long a folding screen will last in
practice. I have seen a few reports of them not lasting all that long.
Any suggestions will be gratefully received.

iPhone SE 144g
138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm

And quite reasonably priced for an iPhone.

[Tweed]

Post by Chris in Makati
On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 12:10:36 -0000 (UTC), Tweed

Post by Tweed

Post by Clive Page
Are there any small and light mobile phones available? My wife
currently uses a Cubot Pocket which weights 144g and has a small form
factor. It has worked fairly well but various defects are gradually
becoming evident which make me think she really needs a more reliable
one, of a different brand.
I'm surprised that there isn't a market for small light phones - women,
especially, want ones that fit in their pockets which tend to be smaller
than those in men's clothing, or which in a handbag don't weight a ton
and take up all the space. But there seem to very few available under
180g in weight and 6 inches in length which is just a bit too big and
heavy. I realise that it's hard to squeeze all the gubbins into a small
form-factor, but Cubot seem to have managed it, and you can get much
smaller phones but with tiny and almost unusable screens. Though I have
a suspicion that these are expressly designed to be smuggled into
prisons, which is a rather different market.
One possibility is one of the new-fangled folding phones like the
Motorola Razr 40 or 50, but being new they tend to be rather expensive,
and I'm also a bit suspicious of how long a folding screen will last in
practice. I have seen a few reports of them not lasting all that long.
Any suggestions will be gratefully received.

iPhone SE 144g
138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm

And quite reasonably priced for an iPhone.

£479 for the base model

[Andy Burns]

Post by Tweed

Post by Chris in Makati

Post by Tweed
iPhone SE 144g
138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm

And quite reasonably priced for an iPhone.

£479 for the base model

Street price seems £100 lower

[Theo]

Post by Andy Burns

Post by Tweed

Post by Chris in Makati

Post by Tweed
iPhone SE 144g
138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm

And quite reasonably priced for an iPhone.

£479 for the base model

Street price seems £100 lower

There are rumours a new one is coming out in ~March.
But there are also rumours the new one will be bigger.

Theo

[Dave Royal]

Post by Theo

Post by Andy Burns

Post by Tweed

Post by Chris in Makati

Post by Tweed
iPhone SE 144g
138.4 x 67.3 x 7.3 mm

And quite reasonably priced for an iPhone.

£479 for the base model

Street price seems £100 lower

There are rumours a new one is coming out in ~March.
But there are also rumours the new one will be bigger.

gsmarena has the (rumoured) specs:
<https://m.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_se_(2025)-13395.php>

If Apple discontinue the SE 3 at the same time then one bought
then should be supported until 2030. I wonder whether the price
of the SE 3 will go up or down?

[JMB99]

Are there any small and light mobile phones available?   My wife
currently uses a Cubot Pocket which weights 144g and has a small form
factor.  It has worked fairly well but various defects are gradually
becoming evident which make me think she really needs a more reliable
one, of a different brand.

There are small ones that are smuggled into prisons 'internally' by
criminals but no idea what type they use.

[Tweed]

Post by JMB99

Are there any small and light mobile phones available?   My wife
currently uses a Cubot Pocket which weights 144g and has a small form
factor.  It has worked fairly well but various defects are gradually
becoming evident which make me think she really needs a more reliable
one, of a different brand.

There are small ones that are smuggled into prisons 'internally' by
criminals but no idea what type they use.

Search for small mobile phone on Amazon or eBay and you will find lots of
examples. I can’t see they have any practical lawful use.

[Java Jive]

Are there any small and light mobile phones available?   My wife
currently uses a Cubot Pocket which weights 144g and has a small form
factor.  It has worked fairly well but various defects are gradually
becoming evident which make me think she really needs a more reliable
one, of a different brand.
I'm surprised that there isn't a market for small light phones - women,
especially, want ones that fit in their pockets which tend to be smaller
than those in men's clothing, or which in a handbag don't weight a ton
and take up all the space.  But there seem to very few available under
180g in weight and 6 inches in length which is just a bit too big and
heavy.   I realise that it's hard to squeeze all the gubbins into a
small form-factor, but Cubot seem to have managed it, and you can get
much smaller phones but with tiny and almost unusable screens.  Though I
have a suspicion that these are expressly designed to be smuggled into
prisons, which is a rather different market.
One possibility is one of the new-fangled folding phones like the
Motorola Razr 40 or 50, but being new they tend to be rather expensive,
and I'm also a bit suspicious of how long a folding screen will last in
practice.  I have seen a few reports of them not lasting all that
long.   Any suggestions will be gratefully received.

I agree about foldables, I see the hinge as just another potential point
of failure. However, if you've been looking at foldables, expense can't
be the highest priority for you ...

I began a thread here entitled "Are all 4G phones compatible with
VoLTE?" on 2024-07-05 after becoming suspicious that my old Samsung
phablet would become useless after 3G switch off. By the way, the
comparison spreadsheet of potential replacements that I drew up then is
still up on my site, though of course, prices will have changed somewhat
since then:
www.macfh.co.uk/Temp/Mobile_Phones.ods

As a result of a post by Theo at 16:21 on 12th, a well-regarded
contributor here, Andy Burns, and I each bought around the same time
from the same source ...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/str/tescooutlet

... a Pixel 8a, their offer on which has reduced substantially in price
since then ...


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/405288271479?itmmeta=01JEGHRVQN25AMGDX9Q86995TS&hash=item5e5d103e77:g:7VYAAOSworpnDrq0

The 8a is £330 as above, 152 x 73 x 9 mm, and 188 g, however, as with
all of them, your other half'd probably want to buy a casing to protect
it, which would increase the price a little and both of those sets of
physical specifications (see below about cases).

I don't want to preempt any comment that Andy may wish to make, so I'll
say only that he seemed pretty happy with his at the time. For myself,
I'm pleased with mine:

+ Improved voice quality over the Samsung;
+ Fits in pocket comfortably, and so far hasn't turned itself off or
rebooted thereby, unlike my first smartphone, a Sam. Gal. Note 2.
+ Can do night time photos, as long as you can keep it steady for a
few seconds.
? Difficult to transfer data & apps from old phone, because that was
an old model with a long out-of-support Android (Andy seemed to
find things much easier, as his old phone was newer than mine);
? Bit of a steep learning curve upgrading from such an old Android,
but pretty much used to it now.
- Ability to zoom in by a spreading gesture often doesn't work in
places where it used to in previous versions of Android, meaning
I need glasses more often to work the phone.
- For taking panoramas, which I do a lot, the native camera app is not
as good as Open Camera app which in turn is not as good as that on
the Samsung.

If it's of interest, I bought two cases, and use both of them, the first
around the house when the phone is on the desk, bedside table, etc, the
second when I'm out and have it in my pocket ...

1) https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0D2LJG9MY

This seems alright:
+ Cheap & cheerful;
+ I can still fit the phone in my jeans pocket;
+ Can attach wrist-strap via two small holes in the bottom RH corner;
+ Less slippery than the phone itself, but perhaps not enough;
? Expecting that in time it will yellow with age and look ugly as that
is a commonly reported problem with cases of this general type;
- Doesn't protect the screen.


2) https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0D1CL9V8T

+ Completely protects the phone, including the screen;
+ I can still fit the phone in my jeans pocket;
? Has wrist strap, but it's attached to the top of the case, whereas
really it needs to be attached to the bottom;
? Latch is magnetic, keep case away from USB sticks;
- Took a while to arrive all the way from China.

HTHs

[Andy Burns]

Post by Java Jive
The 8a is £330 as above, 152 x 73 x 9 mm, and 188 g, however, as with
all of them, your other half'd probably want to buy a casing to protect
it, which would increase the price a little and both of those sets of
physical specifications (see below about cases).
I don't want to preempt any comment that Andy may wish to make, so I'll
say only that he seemed pretty happy with his at the time.  For myself,

Still pleased with it, I knew 9 series would be along soon after I
bought the 8a, with better spec for camera/wifi/screen/charging/uwb but
at too much of a price jump to justify.

The one thing I wish the 8a kept from the 5a and 3 was the rear
fingerprint scanner, I still find the front version needs two hands and
several attempts.

Post by Java Jive
If it's of interest, I bought two cases

Yes, without a case, it's a slippery bar of soap

[Woody]

Are there any small and light mobile phones available?   My wife
currently uses a Cubot Pocket which weights 144g and has a small form
factor.  It has worked fairly well but various defects are gradually
becoming evident which make me think she really needs a more reliable
one, of a different brand.
I'm surprised that there isn't a market for small light phones - women,
especially, want ones that fit in their pockets which tend to be smaller
than those in men's clothing, or which in a handbag don't weight a ton
and take up all the space.  But there seem to very few available under
180g in weight and 6 inches in length which is just a bit too big and
heavy.   I realise that it's hard to squeeze all the gubbins into a
small form-factor, but Cubot seem to have managed it, and you can get
much smaller phones but with tiny and almost unusable screens.  Though I
have a suspicion that these are expressly designed to be smuggled into
prisons, which is a rather different market.
One possibility is one of the new-fangled folding phones like the
Motorola Razr 40 or 50, but being new they tend to be rather expensive,
and I'm also a bit suspicious of how long a folding screen will last in
practice.  I have seen a few reports of them not lasting all that
long.   Any suggestions will be gratefully received.

Question: does she want a smartphone or will a simple talk and text type
do? If the latter have a look at the Nokia 105 series which is of that
type, not too big, and 4G. There are several different types - like
single or dual SIM. Make sure to get a 2023 or 2024 model.

[Woody]

Post by Woody

Are there any small and light mobile phones available?   My wife
currently uses a Cubot Pocket which weights 144g and has a small form
factor.  It has worked fairly well but various defects are gradually
becoming evident which make me think she really needs a more reliable
one, of a different brand.
I'm surprised that there isn't a market for small light phones -
women, especially, want ones that fit in their pockets which tend to
be smaller than those in men's clothing, or which in a handbag don't
weight a ton and take up all the space.  But there seem to very few
available under 180g in weight and 6 inches in length which is just a
bit too big and heavy.   I realise that it's hard to squeeze all the
gubbins into a small form-factor, but Cubot seem to have managed it,
and you can get much smaller phones but with tiny and almost unusable
screens.  Though I have a suspicion that these are expressly designed
to be smuggled into prisons, which is a rather different market.
One possibility is one of the new-fangled folding phones like the
Motorola Razr 40 or 50, but being new they tend to be rather
expensive, and I'm also a bit suspicious of how long a folding screen
will last in practice.  I have seen a few reports of them not lasting
all that long.   Any suggestions will be gratefully received.

Question: does she want a smartphone or will a simple talk and text type
do? If the latter have a look at the Nokia 105 series which is of that
type, not too big, and 4G. There are several different types - like
single or dual SIM. Make sure to get a 2023 or 2024 model.

I should have said, don't forget the 3310 as well.

[Jeff Layman]

Post by Woody

Post by Woody
Question: does she want a smartphone or will a simple talk and text type
do? If the latter have a look at the Nokia 105 series which is of that
type, not too big, and 4G. There are several different types - like
single or dual SIM. Make sure to get a 2023 or 2024 model.

I should have said, don't forget the 3310 as well.

This was the smallest phone I ever had:
<https://www.gsmarena.com/panasonic_gd55-372.php>

It always worked perfectly and had a long battery standby time. You
really needed small fingers and good eyesight to use texting!

[JMB99]

https://www.vice.com/en/article/prison-phones-that-go-up-your-bum/

And there is a website

https://smallestmobilephones.co.uk/

[Clive Page]

Post by JMB99
https://www.vice.com/en/article/prison-phones-that-go-up-your-bum/
And there is a website
https://smallestmobilephones.co.uk/

Thanks to all for the feedback - very useful. It looks to me at present as it the iPhone SE might fit the bill, but we've first got to overcome our long-standing antipathy to all Apple products. And there are rumours that a new model is likely to come out in a month or two.

[Theo]

Thanks to all for the feedback - very useful. It looks to me at present
as it the iPhone SE might fit the bill, but we've first got to overcome
our long-standing antipathy to all Apple products. And there are rumours
that a new model is likely to come out in a month or two.

If you don't mind being a year or two back, have a look at the Asus Zenfone
9 or 10. They're small flagship Android phones in a slightly larger package
than the iPhone SE (but a couple of mm thicker), with much more screen:

https://versus.com/en/apple-iphone-se-2022-vs-asus-zenfone-10

[Theo]

Post by Theo

Thanks to all for the feedback - very useful. It looks to me at present
as it the iPhone SE might fit the bill, but we've first got to overcome
our long-standing antipathy to all Apple products. And there are rumours
that a new model is likely to come out in a month or two.

If you don't mind being a year or two back, have a look at the Asus Zenfone
9 or 10. They're small flagship Android phones in a slightly larger package
https://versus.com/en/apple-iphone-se-2022-vs-asus-zenfone-10

Although I suppose the base S24 isn't a whole lot different from the Zenfone
10 - similar width as the iPhone SE but 10mm taller:

https://versus.com/en/apple-iphone-se-2022-vs-asus-zenfone-10-vs-google-pixel-8a-vs-google-pixel-9-vs-samsung-galaxy-s24
(click on the picture for a size comparison)

[Tweed]

Post by Clive Page

Post by JMB99
https://www.vice.com/en/article/prison-phones-that-go-up-your-bum/
And there is a website
https://smallestmobilephones.co.uk/

Thanks to all for the feedback - very useful. It looks to me at present
as it the iPhone SE might fit the bill, but we've first got to overcome
our long-standing antipathy to all Apple products. And there are rumours
that a new model is likely to come out in a month or two.

Rumours only, but the new model is likely to be a bit bigger. On the other
hand I’m considering moving from an SE to one of the more expensive and
bigger iPhones because of aging eyesight. I’d suggest a trip to an Apple
shop where all the various models can be handled and compared.

On the subject of Apple shops, our shopping centre has both an Apple shop
and a Samsung shop. The former is always full, often over full. The Samsung
shop never seems to have more than one or two customers.